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[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, the revolution is the one not spinning...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

The one not spinning endlessly in a trapped cycle, yes. That's the point, the reform side is "moving" in place, never actually moving nor is it capable of moving. The revolution van is capable of moving.

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 2 points 2 hours ago

I think they're making a joke that one of the definitions of "revolution" is making a complete circle. In the cartoon, "reform" is making a ton of revolutions.

[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago

Ah, I'm stupid, got it now!

[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

Cmon bro, just one more reform, bro. It will fix the system. Bro, i promise. Bro, bro its going to serve us all. This time realy, bro.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

The AI haters will hate this, but I think AI is gonna provide the push that forces the fundamental changes we want. You can only replace so many people with AI and robots. The theoretical point of zero employees also means zero customers, because nobody has any money to buy anything, so making employees obsolete makes business and profits obsolete. In the real world the system will change long before that point, because it will have to. It might be from food riots and social breakdown, or political movements finally taking hold, I don't know, but AI will make the profit system eat itself. I'm just not looking forward to the extremely difficult transition period.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago

I want to believe you're right. But everything else so far has just been a gradually applied multiplier on human labor, not a full replacement. Instead of a sudden tipping point, we'd watch each other become destitute one by one, perpetually looking out for only ourselves.

[–] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 21 hours ago

People are voting for Reform like they are different to the Conservatives…

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Another more recent example is "21th century socialism" in latin america, one by one they've gone to shit. Even the ones still standing are one election cycle away from going to shit, it's all it takes to disassemble a reformist path.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And even if they triumph again and again, what's stopping an opportunist from slipping through the ranks when the people have no shot at pulling the fucker back down?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

Which is literally what happened in Ecuador.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)
  • get on board for revolution
  • read up on theory
  • learn about the mass line
  • do mass line
  • masses demand reform.

Gotta square this circle. You definitely don't want to go down the track of being co-opted by democrats. But you absolutely cannot mobilize the masses by just telling them "wait for the revolution".

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

It takes work, and it takes emotional patience with people. Screaming at the top of our lungs that we must have revolution does nothing. We must be teachers first, show the masses that their attempts at reforms are failing. If they are rational at all, they will listen. If they are not rational, getting angry and scolding them does nothing.

The western left (and I self-criticize when I say this because it applies to me as well) tends to be very infantile, very impatient, and has relatively low levels of militancy within it. I'm a full on hoxhaist. I have a very specific view on what I want socialism to look like, and what strategies I believe are actually beneficial. That being said, if I spend the bulk of my time engaged in disrespecting other tendencies instead of doing literally anything I will never see the world I want. No bunkers will be built, and I will be sad. ☹️

The average person just wants to see us do something. How often do communist parties in the west actually organize things themselves as opposed to hopping onto some liberal groups thing? If we can't even, for example organize our own red aid in a remotely comparable way to what some rando charity is doing, we got a long ass way to go ya know? There is hardly room to bicker and try to dictate peoples lives and views until we've proven to be a force of good.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

theres no such thing as waiting for a revolution

it has to be built, and its a lot of work.

luckily if we have a lot of people on board, we can divide the work up and do quite a bunch.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

There's gonna be things that can be attended by direct action (union organizing, literacy, breakfast program, that kind of thing) and things that can't. I think what leftist leaders should do about the things that can only be tackled by national reform is to encourage people to vote for the progressive democrats where it makes sense; worst case, they lose and we learn nothing, but best case they win and when everyone sees them fail to change anything, it makes it a lot easier to sell people on further revolutionary action.

[–] BevelGear@beehaw.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] aaronbieber@beehaw.org 1 points 3 hours ago

We only do DraftKings here!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

not usually on your own soil (openly), but yes you do.

[–] BevelGear@beehaw.org 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Your right and that's why June 14th is the protest day - http://www.nokings.org/

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

i wish you luck and all the best

[–] BevelGear@beehaw.org 4 points 23 hours ago

Thanks, I appreciate it.