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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

Putting words you don't know the meaning of in the dictionary accompanied by an explanation of what those words mean? Woke nonsense, obviously.

[–] Joostringoot@feddit.nl 1 points 13 hours ago

I agree about the bees. Yes there is far more variation in other organisms than Humans. In biology homosexuality exists, but it means reproduction by same sex individuals. Not what Humans do when they are homosexual, that is rather social interaction from a biological Point of view.

[–] Joostringoot@feddit.nl 1 points 13 hours ago

Sex in biology has a clear aim: genetic recombination. Everything in function of the recombination of 2 gametes can be considered sex in Biology.

(I think that only plasmid exchange is non sexual exchange of genetic information but eukaryotes don't do that) A lof of social interactions in zoology however, we consider as sex or gender interactions in culture.

the messiness of sex, of others, other organisms, is just a perspective.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 77 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Hope you're ready to define words, dictionary" that's their whole thing dude.

Also I would highly recommend anyone into anime to check out Fune wo Amu/The Great Passage. It's an anime about the creation of a dictionary. It's a pretty compelling love letter to the idea of language in general. I think I started watching it when it was airing thinking 'this sounds boring as hell, they've gotta be cooking something if this got funded' and they were.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Seconded on Fune Wo Amu.

If you are sick and tired of every single anime having the same Generic High School Protagonist, and not a single character over the age of 30, then Fune Wo Amu is a breath of fresh air as a show for adults that isn't afraid to deviate from the usual formula, and tell a different kind of story.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/32948/Fune_wo_Amu/

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Merriam dgaf. Their job is to figure out what words people are using, and document them. People could invent the word "bumblesausagecock" and if it caught on, they would add it.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That would be such a bumblesausagecock thing to do

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

They definitely get bumblesausagecocked for doing that.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 1 day ago (27 children)

Exactly. Dictionaries are descriptive tools, not prescriptive.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I generally agree, though there's cases where you want to be selective with what you're describing. This Low Saxon dictionary, for example, has a policy of not listing loans and calques from Dutch, German, or English unless they've been well-established, doubly so if there's an already existing Low Saxon word which fits the bill.

The justification is that the language is in a vulnerable state with native proficiency having jumped at least a full generation so many speakers' vocabulary is lacking. E.g. my repertoire of words for plants and animals in Low Saxon is negligible, so in speech I have to improvise i.e. use a loan. I occasionally look stuff up and I don't want to find the loan I just used listed, giving it dictionary blessing would amount to aiding and abetting the decline of the language. Why the hell would anyone want to aid and abet the sidelining of wonderful words like Huul­bes­sen, "howl broom".

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

That exception makes sense. Both because their prescription isn't in the dictionary itself, but rather in their choice of scope for it, and because it's trying to protect a threatened variety, instead of just creating some meaningless division (like plenty prescriptions do).

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

variety

Language! High German may have an army but we have the fleet.

More seriously if you class Low Saxon as a non-standard variety of Standard German and then have a look at the family tree you'd have, for the sake of consistency, call English a German variety. Sure they're all West Germanic languages but we need taxa for the taxonomy god: Low Saxon is more closely related to the Anglo-Frisian languages than to the Allemannic/Bavarian line, which is where Standard German stems from.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago

"Variety" doesn't imply status as a dialect or as a language; it's neutral in this regard, that's why I used it.

More specifically, I see it as an Ingvaeonic variety; yes, like English, it's also an Ingvaeonic variety. I agree with you that "nesting" it within Standard German would be incorrect.

we need taxa for the taxonomy god

While this doesn't apply in this specific case, since Low Saxon is clearly sitting within its taxon, keep in mind that the taxonomy god is still Armok - it still demands blood. The blood of people furiously arguing if some variety belongs to taxon A or taxon B, when the variety shows intermediate traits.

I see this all the time when people talk about the Romance varieties, trying to lump Aragonese into either Ibero-Romance or Gallo-Romance; or Venetan into either Gallo-Italic or Italo-Dalmatian.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

A lot of language communities have that almost superstitious belief that "if it is not in the dictionary, you shouldn't be using it". Not just the French. (inb4 I'll keep using "tabarnak" even if it's not there. Fite me!)

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[–] Joostringoot@feddit.nl 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

12000? It's over 20000! http://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/why-this-fungus-has-over-20-000-sexes

Sex is not the same in biology/science as it is in culture.

Sex in culture may be a choice, in biology it is a given. Sometimes a bad interpretation of facts.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

Sexuality as in who or what you are sexually attracted to, not sex in what kind of anatomy you have.

[–] Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 16 hours ago

Tfw a fungus has 20,000 times more sex than me

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Sex is not the same in biology/science as it is in culture.

What do you mean? Why not?

Sex in culture may be a choice, in biology it is a given. Sometimes a bad interpretation of facts.

Are you talking about the act of sex? Bees can be considered to have 2 sexes but 3 genders, female bees are either a queen or a worker. Male bees are called drones. The female worker bees do not have sex.

If you mean genetic sex being a given, I'd bring up oxylotyls or the sex changes in frogs.

Sex is not a given in biology, it's very messy and complicated, maybe even more so than in human culture.

[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 187 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Dictionaries are - by definition - descriptive. It is not their duty to judge what goes into them. They merely collected terms used by people and explain what they mean.

Demanding to remove information from a dictionary, because you do not like what it expresses or the people who use those terms, is the very definition of censorship.

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 52 points 2 days ago (17 children)

This is why the idea of gender needs to disappear eventually. If we have it, we then need to label every single permutation of every expression. Maybe that's fun for some people, but it's definitely not fun for me.

To be clear I'm not saying you can't be a woman or a man or whatever. I understand I have to pay that tax. But in 200 years maybe it won't matter anymore because we'll all just be people. And that seems nice to me.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 30 points 2 days ago (25 children)

That's like saying we need to get rid of all color names since there are so many hues and shades. What are chartreuse and fuchsia? Better just get rid of green and purple since there are so many colors.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 101 points 2 days ago (7 children)

These people really don't have two braincells to rub together, do they?

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