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[โ€“] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 points 20 hours ago
[โ€“] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 68 points 1 day ago

So, are our governments finally going to see US software as a risk? Because this can shut down entire governments

[โ€“] promitheas@programming.dev 111 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Its time we in Europe stop pretending that the US is capable of being anything other than an enemy. Its not just trump. If they do it once, theyll do it again. Whether its 1, 2, or several administrations down the line. We need to start distancing ourselves from them ASAP

[โ€“] Pirata@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right on. Trump is just the frontman for now, but the ball will keep on going with the following administrations.

The Democrats will just do what they have always done: "there's nothing we can do, they have the House and the Senate..."

We can't rely on internal opposition whatsoever.

[โ€“] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Sic semper tyrannis

[โ€“] DandomRude@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Hear, hear!

[โ€“] 01011@monero.town -5 points 1 day ago

Europe and America are two peas in a pod, with the only difference being that European nations no longer have the military advantage to impose their will as they did in the past.

[โ€“] moody@lemmings.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Netanyahu has dismissed the ICCโ€™s allegations as โ€œabsurd,โ€ and Israelโ€™s Knesset is considering legislation that would make providing evidence to the court a crime.

Right, allegations are absurd, so it makes perfect sense to criminalize providing evidence.

[โ€“] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 14 points 1 day ago

Can we make it a crime to make that a crime?

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 89 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Holy shit that's bad. That's also confirming what we knew about using centralised services, they can and will target you as a person, if they are given the order.

That's really bad.

[โ€“] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, that's hardly a confirmation. The US has always used its power like this with its enemies, just ask Iran Cuba or Russia how they're doing on international trade.

The new development is that all of Europe is now classified as an enemy, yet we're fully incapable of not sucking on Amazon and MSFT's teat.

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's different though, a sovereign country using its power to sanction another sovereign country is one thing.
A country using its power to sanction a single person, not even a citizen, with a position like he has, for his work on a body whose authority is not recognised by the country, and all that through a corporation, at the order of the current administration is definitely another thing. It sounds very new and very dangerous to me.

[โ€“] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

That's routine as well. Plenty of Russian oligarchs are personally sanctioned in that way. Not that I'm saying ICC prosecutor and Russian oligarch are remotely comparable targets, but the method isn't new. The shocking thing is who the US is now targeting.

[โ€“] FMT99@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

At least it's email, it's relatively easy to adjust your DNS and move to a different provider. But it is pretty insane that the US govt is willing to weaponize the country's leading businesses against its allies.

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well it's much worse than that, it's personalised sanctions on the personal account of the head of a supranational organisation (whose authority is not recognised by the US), from a private business, at the order of the president of the United States (or anyone in this shit administration, it's doesn't really matter at this point).

That's a seriously fucked up precedent to make, on so many levels.

[โ€“] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not if you are a court or any form of government entity. You have to have meticulous documentation about everything that goes on in there or risk cases overturned on that basis. It might also be an attempt to discredit the court by planting or illegally searching the email account. This should launch an investigation into the united states, which turns them into a criminal state, trump as a person and microsoft needs to become illegal in every country under the iccs influence.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel the people working at icc currently have other fish to fry first. They are not like UN part of diplomatic relations but are tasked with investing (war)crimes already commited. I sincerely hope they have their priorities straight and focus on Sudan, Myanmar and Gaza first. Maybe Ukraine Xinjiang next, I don't know what should be a priority but not US. I mean what US is doing is really bad, and maybe the matter of the deportations, the treatment of trans people and all the misogyny will eventually be something to handle in the ICC but for now I hope this 'just' sends a message to the countries connected to the ICC and they go fix shit without burdening the ICC itself with it.

[โ€“] Pirata@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, it depends, right? If its an outlook email, he is fucked. I assume its a custom email, though.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sending and receiving email is one thing, but accessing data that is on Microsoft servers is another. Hope they made an external back-up in time (would be surprised if they didn't, but still).

[โ€“] Pirata@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah, no doubt. Whichever way you paint it, this is really serious.

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Microsoft, for example, cancelled Khanโ€™s email address, forcing the prosecutor to move to Proton Mail, a Swiss email provider, ICC staffers said. His bank accounts in his home countryโ€ฏof the U.K. have been blocked.ย 

Microsoft did not respond to a request for comment.

[โ€“] starlinguk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

The UK is the US's little bitch.

[โ€“] atro_city@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Welcome to ProtonMail, a Trump supporting service. He can't catch a break, can he?

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think thatโ€™s a stretch. If we wanna criticise Proton, itโ€™s their lack of proper Linux support.

[โ€“] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They gave trump money, so it's literally the case. Not a stretch.

[โ€“] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

where did protonmail give trump money?

[โ€“] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I think the other user may be mixing up events in their head. I havenโ€™t seen anything about Protonโ€™s donations but the Proton CEO has publicly made statements that suggested he might be pro-Trump.

Here is a really in depth analysis of his comments that concludes he may not actually be pro-MAGA.

[โ€“] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why the fuck is he using Microsoft to begin with!? I would imagine Microsoft's TOS is incompatible with any organization that handles sensitive information. I wouldn't trust them with my grocery list, much less international human rights data.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Yes, but the alternatives are Google and Amazon. The bigger the organizations the smaller the amount of options, since the back-end becomes increasingly difficult to manage.

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How come his bank accounts in the UK was frozen? In what way can the US have influence on that?

[โ€“] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The US will fine and sanction banks that do not comply with its sanctions. So any bank that lets Khan have an account will get slapped basically.

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 17 points 1 day ago

Damn thatโ€™s fucked

[โ€“] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because we're all living in corporate dictatorships masquerading as "democracy".

The oligarchy everywhere are authoritarian fascists, no different to the kings and queens of history, and they own every major corporation and government.